We *Like* Our Internet With a Side of Revolution
Internet Explorer 6 will be SEVEN years old on August 27th, 2008 will be EIGHT years old this fall. It came out a few weeks before the Twin Towers fell. It came out before the Nintendo GameCube. It came out before the first iPod.
It’s time to put a deadline on dropping IE6, and I say that time is now, and the deadline should be soon… say like, March 2009. That’s roughly a little more than 6 months. Feel free to join me. If your company is dropping support for IE6, let me know and I’ll gladly post it up. I’m also on twitter, http://twitter.com/sxtxixtxcxh, if that works better for you.
Check out the marching category to see who else is phasing out Internet Explorer 6.
If, for some reason, you’ve found yourself here using Internet Explorer 6, you can help yourself by downloading Firefox, Safari, Opera and/or Internet Explorer 7 (there’s a beta for IE8, if you’re feeling adventurous).
Google has recently gotten into the browser game, and (if you’re on Windows) you can download a beta of their unbelievably fast Chrome.
Update: IE 8 has been released. Are you going to support three different versions of Internet Explorer?
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IE Death March :: WPLover
24 Aug 08 at 9:50 pm
I dropped IE6 several years ago, before Microsoft even made a half-way decent successor.
IE7 is better, Firefox 3 is better, Opera 9.5 is better. Start writing some code telling people that IE6 is too old to use you’re site, and stop pandering to it. IE7 is at least easier to hack to in the event of a flaw or two. (Note the lack of optioning another insecure browser like Safari).
Progress people.
Yert
25 Aug 08 at 12:56 am
Totally agree with all of this, now we just need google, yahoo, msn, youtube, and myspace to catch on
Harrison
25 Aug 08 at 11:50 am
@Harrison: At least facebook has a clue: http://iedeathmarch.org/2008/08/facebook/
M. Dave Auayan
25 Aug 08 at 12:43 pm
Totally agree. I’ve tried to mostly keep things working in IE6 simply cause I’m a manic perfectionist. But I’ve said for years IE6 needs to die.
@Yert: Do you even know what you’re talking about regarding Safari? The only outstanding “security” issue with Safari is it’s lack of any anti-phishing protection. Which by definition, doesn’t make it an insecure browser. Even the safest car in the world is unsafe if an utter idiot drives the thing down the wrong lane on the freeway at 350mph.
Not to mention, last I checked, Firefox 3 had lots more outstanding security issues than Safari and/or WebKit has ever had.
jimeh
25 Aug 08 at 12:46 pm
[...] 6 (IE6) first came out. It’s a seven year-old browser. This little factoid is part of a battle cry by M. David Auayan to stop developing websites for IE6 by March 2009. Enter the IE Death [...]
Campaigns to kill the web browser that just won’t die: Internet Explorer 6 | Wisdump
26 Aug 08 at 12:59 pm
I totally agree. I’ve posted more than one blog about the subject. I just spent the last two days wasting my time trying to get a website I am designing to work in IE6 even though it was and is working beautifully in every other modern browser known to man.
I wish their was a way to literally BURN IE6 and permanently delete it from our technological history.
Shane
26 Aug 08 at 8:44 pm
I love you… I hate IE6…
Rick
27 Aug 08 at 6:56 am
*completely sarcastic comment*
I think that people are still using IE6 because it is just so hard to upgrade to IE7, or even better yet Firefox or Safari. I mean, they actually have to go and download Firefox and then go through the wizard that imports all their bookmarks and stuff. That just seems so complicated and ridiculous. Maybe if someone would just create something that someone could do easily, we would all be fine. Change is just so hard and is not worth it.
* end sarcasm*
Seriously, some people just are too lazy. There is even a wizard built in!!!
So, lets all cheer. Happy 7th birthday to IE6. Hopefully it will be your last.
-JD
JD Hartley
27 Aug 08 at 7:51 am
I twitterd you..
I am a strong supporter of IE Death March
Why don’t you create some badges and make it available for your supporters to use in their blogs.. [may be something like this -> http://tinyurl.com/5laz8g
It will give more popularity for this ‘mission’
aravind
27 Aug 08 at 7:58 am
[...] And so on. How did I fix it? On today, the 7th birthday of IE6, when others are working hard to put ie6 on its death march, here’s a bit of code that made my life a little [...]
Safetygoat » IE6 Randomly moves stuff around and how to fix it
27 Aug 08 at 9:06 am
@aravind I’ll be putting something together soon
thanks!
M. Dave Auayan
27 Aug 08 at 9:20 am
I with you on phasing out IE6.
Here’s some more “younger than IE6″:
IE7
Windows Vista
Zune
XBox 360
“Soon”, IE8 will be out.
Chris Pietschmann
27 Aug 08 at 9:49 am
The Hostile Monkey is totally on this march. What would be GREAT would be to use this blog to collect some hard facts. The Hostile Monkey’s clients want to be reassured that IE7 is a solidly recommended upgrade from IE6 (e.g. a quote from MS saying “YOU REALLY SHOULD UPGRADE”). They want to know it’s easy and painless. They want to know that IE7 already has 30/40/50/80/90/120% market share.
Advocacy is great. Facts are better.
Let’s do this. Let’s kill 6.
Hostile Monkey
27 Aug 08 at 2:48 pm
I support this. It is far past time to exclude IE6 from the real internet. Good riddance!
Davin Greenwell
27 Aug 08 at 3:36 pm
March 2009? I stopped developing for IE6 in November 2007.
http://blog.josh420.com/archives/2007/11/people-using-ie6-need-their-ass-kicked.aspx
Kill the IE6 users softly by not applying a stylesheet.
Josh Stodola
28 Aug 08 at 7:35 am
This is a simple decision to make if you don’t have many visitors using IE 6 to access a particular website. In the case of a client, 35% of their traffic still uses IE 6 and therefore an audience who cannot be ignored. It’s not always “easy and painless” to upgrade to IE 7 or another browser, especially when there’s a powerful IT department controlling those changes. I’m all for a revolution, but check your stats first.
Geof Harries
28 Aug 08 at 7:49 am
I wholeheartedly agree and support this campaign, however it’s so difficult with all our corporate clients managed by archaic IT companies who insist on IE6 corporate policies.
As one of the guys said in the office today - if so many people upgraded from FF2 to FF3, why can’t IE6 users upgrade to (at least) IE7, or even better FF3!!
Good luck with this campaign though!
Carl
Carl Crawley
28 Aug 08 at 8:31 am
Viva la Revolution!
Sadly, Geof has a point… (even if the message was clouded by what seems to be a small superiority complex)
Checking the Browser statistics ( http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp ) we see that while IE6 is losing ground… it still commands a considerable corner of the market… so any business that is in it to make money… cannot really afford to simply abandon the browser until it drops to an acceptable usage percentage.
Allen Harper
28 Aug 08 at 9:15 am
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28 Aug 08 at 9:38 am
Allen - A small superiority complex? I didn’t mean to come across that way. I just wanted to make the point it’s not always up to individual users to upgrade their browsers, but rather the powers-that-be above them. Simply, don’t drop support until you consider all of the consequences.
Geof Harries
28 Aug 08 at 9:42 am
IE5 for Mac is actually *older* than IE6 — your front page is inaccurate:
It came out March 27, 2000.
Nathan
28 Aug 08 at 10:04 am
@Nathan while technically true, the final (non-prerelease) versions wasn’t out until after IE6. See also: http://iedeathmarch.org/2008/08/ie5-for-mac/
M. Dave Auayan
28 Aug 08 at 10:07 am
Come 2009 I will be dropping IE6 from my compatible tests on my website I create.
Thomas Hardy
28 Aug 08 at 10:48 am
Of course, some people are less able to drop IE6 - perhaps they’re running on older Windows OSs that don’t support an upgrade to IE7. Perhaps - shock horror, they don’t know about Opera, or Firefox, or any other, more compliant, less pain-in-the-arse-for-us-web-savvy-people browser.
For the ones that can upgrade, perhaps the lead taken by sites such as Facebook, with its large user base, will help the migration towards better browsers.
Patience, until the vast majority of people have done the deed.
Shane
28 Aug 08 at 12:40 pm
I respect your ability to organize a campaign and get support from the development community, however, I find that this will all once again fall into two camps.
1.) IE6 sucks. Upgrade now. I don’t care about users. I only care about my job being easier. If you don’t force your users to upgrade, then I won’t do business with you.
2.) IE6 sucks. Upgrade if you can. I care about the users, but I’m realistic enough to know that sometimes “it pays” to support IE because not all users have a choice.
We live in our own little world, where we think we represent the general population. The reality is that most of the non-technical folks we talk to couldn’t give a rip about what browser they use. You can try to sell them on the security issue, but it still won’t help the fact that eventually they will end up with another virus on another day running another browser. They are not technical enough to understand anti-virus software, or even care enough to run it. If they do, they always say the same thing — “I can’t figure out why it won’t stop blocking my cookies, and it slows down my computer.”
So while we all relish in Firefox, and hope someday that it will take over the online world, I guarantee at some point in your life there will be another Web site along the same lines (Firefox6DeathMarch.com?), that gets the browser the same bad press, that everyone is disgusted with because it has reached market dominance, and is therefore, the primary tool for hacking into computers.
Brian Reindel
28 Aug 08 at 1:36 pm
how about just dropping IE period.
tf
28 Aug 08 at 2:40 pm
tf: or just dropping it full stop.
Jibbidy
28 Aug 08 at 3:21 pm
I’m all for it, but the tactic can’t be blindly imposed across the board. Businesses, non profits, government agencies, and so on MUST cater to users with outdated machines and browsers. That’s not a pass or an excuse not to stand up to the Menace. It’s merely a reality that the interweb community can’t ignore.
Dropping support for IE6 is cool, but if you do it, do it in such a way that does’t come off as a smack in face to the user. If you don’t support IE6 and are willing to pay your bills more power to you. I’d just recommend helping the user understand why they should upgrade. I find that saying - what are you stupid - just doesn’t work.
My next personal project will ignore all IE6 concerns, but will offer a detailed explaination as to why they should upgrade. I’ll tell them what’s in it for them, rather than just focusing on how much it makes my life easier.
antoine butler
28 Aug 08 at 5:46 pm
Well, I’m with you on this one. I’m not a web designer by profession, but I believe that websites should not be made for specific browsers, but rather for a specification, a standard. I know that unfortunately in reality that is not what happens, but we can always dream, right?
I even post a short rant a while ago, check it out:
http://pensador.org/2007/05/08/yet-another-article-on-why-ie-six-sucks/
Saulo
28 Aug 08 at 6:23 pm
Starting immediately, none of the members of the Arizona metal band Embers Rise will be using IE6 nor will we be instructing fans to use IE6.
Mike of Embers Rise (Metal)
29 Aug 08 at 2:26 am
To everyone who is about to drop or has already dropped IE6 support, could you, maybe, list the URLs involved. Please…
We’d be more than happy to ‘take over’ those customers.
Bill
29 Aug 08 at 3:51 am
It’s bad enough our company supports IE6 for websites and online applications we build for our customers; but just found out that IE6 is actually our company standard for the entire planet! And we’re in 79 counties
I’ve sent a link to this article to our tech guys who all seem to think the sun shines out of Bill Gates’ arsehole.
Leyton Jay
29 Aug 08 at 5:18 am
Interesting. I find specific information on _why_ you want to stop supporting IE6 lacking, though. IE6 is my favorite version of IE so far. One reason is because it doesn’t hide the menu bar or put it below the address bar by default. I dislike the lack of tabs, however, so I usually use Firefox instead.
justhal
29 Aug 08 at 5:52 am
Geof - No problem, your first post was just a little abrasive. And I do support the elimination of IE6… but we cannot afford to simply stop supporting a browser simply because it’s hard to develop for.
It’s kinda like supporting the idea of the semantic web. It’s a great idea… and while general validation is always necessary, who can say what standards we should be adhering to… there are what, 3 active firms including the W3C pushing for Semantics? Each with their own idea of what is “standard.”
sorry…
like others have stated… if social media outlets can push it (facebook, youtube, flikr), perhaps we can win… but large market support sadly must continue.
Allen Harper
29 Aug 08 at 7:24 am
I just checked and 74.5% of my client’s traffic is on IE6. Of course the design we use also works well on Netscape 4 and Lynx, but they don’t seem to be as popular…
Kearns
29 Aug 08 at 7:54 am
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29 Aug 08 at 9:24 am
We’re officially dropping IE 6 support at our design firm as of today! Thanks IE Death March for reminding us why it is a bold but important cause.
Josh of Cubicle Ninjas
29 Aug 08 at 9:28 am
whats the best way to make a “please upgrade your browser” page or popup box, i’m trying to do it for my page. Maybe someone can make a small script so people can put it on their websites as well?
Harrison
29 Aug 08 at 11:19 am
@Harrison: I have the save the developers script installed on this site. You can get it at http://savethedevelopers.org - I’ll be putting something together for IE Death March soon.
M. Dave Auayan
29 Aug 08 at 11:49 am
Explicitely dropping IE6 would mean recommending IE7. And since IE7’s CSS support sucks (not as much as IE6’s, but still a lot), I’m not too keen into recommending it in any way.
I kid you not: in my code, there are quite a lot of IE6-specific code, my at least as much code that’s IE-specific (i.e. applies to IE6 and 7).
Fabien
29 Aug 08 at 3:31 pm
Can we make this a date for everyone to dump IE completely? All versions
Jon Randy
29 Aug 08 at 10:23 pm
@M. Dave Auayan: oh cool! i’ve seen that site before but but i didn’t use the script for some reason! thanks
Harrison
29 Aug 08 at 11:25 pm
I totally agree!
As from March 2009 I will have a standard code that I will drop into my CSS which will create a pop-up saying “This site does not support IE6, please upgrade your browser”.
If a client wants IE6 support they will have to pay extra for it.
Jack
31 Aug 08 at 5:17 am
I build nothing for IE6 anymore. You can see a list of the sites at Hudin Varela. I also built, maintain, and am redesigning End6! which I run on all my sites to push people in to getting rid of it.
Undoubtedly we’ll see more of a drop after December once people are unfortunately upgraded to Vista on any new machines that they buy at Christmas.
-miquel
Hudin
31 Aug 08 at 2:50 pm
I recently decided to stop trying to fix my clients websites to work with IE6. I think this is such a great idea.
Dunkle
1 Sep 08 at 12:21 pm
I’m dropping IE6 support as well. I’ll only support company websites…. for a bit longer.
Jonno Riekwel
1 Sep 08 at 4:18 pm
Please tell me why so many people likes this torture called Microsoft Internet Explorer? Please, ban this crappy browser and start using the only standard: Firefox.
Arno Hoogwerf
2 Sep 08 at 3:33 am
Especially people who aren’t internetting that much (e.g. older people) usually hold on to IE6 with the motivation: “It works, I haven’t got any problems with it, so why upgrade it?” Time to move on and forget IE6 as browser choice for both developers and users alike.
BTW, I do not understand why IE6 doesn’t upgrade automatically to the most up to date version? This would be profit for all of us, even for M$ because less people would change to FF.
Henk
3 Sep 08 at 12:11 pm
He he, it’s poetic justice is what it is. MicroShaft stops support for an OS so we stop support for their browser. I like it.
Doug C.
5 Sep 08 at 3:07 am
It’s about bleepin’ time.
I don’t struggle all THAT much with this browser, but it is time to say good-bye!
Thanks for the post (and the encouragement!) Sign me up!
Travis Holliday
5 Sep 08 at 1:48 pm
I’d love to be able to cut all my special IE6 code out of my site. But I can’t yet. My solution is a jGrowl notification. I’m open to suggestions about the wording.
For those who can’t cut IE6 users off at the knees, but who would like to encourage them to switch or add a browser to their machine, this may be a good solution.
If IE6 users start getting notifications like this, they may add a browser or bug the IT department.
Every little bit helps.
—
You are using Internet Explorer 6.0.
xxxx™ performs many calculations, so it works best with modern browsers such as IE7, IE8, Firefox, Opera, and Google Chrome.
If you have another browser, please switch to it now.
This version of xxxx™ does support IE6, but some operations will be very slow. Please be patient.
Nosredna
7 Sep 08 at 1:39 pm
>>BTW, I do not understand why IE6 doesn’t upgrade automatically to the most up to date version? This would be profit for all of us, even for M$ because less people would change to FF.
I know of companies who have built in-house web applications that rely on broken IE6 bits and don’t work on IE7. It’s a REAL mess we’ve got here.
For those people, the best solution is IE6 for the Intranet and FF for the Internet.
Nosredna
7 Sep 08 at 1:41 pm
I am definitely stopping all support after march 1st!
PS. Why not add the link to the Google Chrome beta to the post?
Ruud Welten
7 Sep 08 at 4:08 pm
You forget to mention SVG Graphics in “Things You Can’t Do In Internet Explorer 6″
H5N1
15 Sep 08 at 1:26 am
Death to IE6…
The anti-IE6 squad seems to have been gathering some momentum lately; 37Signals announced that they are phasing out support of the aged web browser, as well as Facebook and MobileMe. Even a website has been constructed, IE Death March, to revolt agains…
Scott Mallinson
17 Sep 08 at 8:32 am
I fully agree that its time to kill IE6, however I do not think that outright dropping it will work, the client effect. Therefore, I propose IE6 get TAXED to death. Meaning that if a client wants IE6 compatibility it will be immediately flagged as an added cost beyond normal scope.
Cesar
17 Sep 08 at 11:25 am
IE6 is like a used condom. Just don’t use it, don’t even touch it, don’t even think about what it would be like to use it. It’s disgusting, and should be thrown away.
How’s that for the best description ever written?
Adam Roberts
22 Sep 08 at 6:45 am
“Render the box model properly” should be under the things you can’t do in IE6 category!
Amy
24 Sep 08 at 7:17 am
I’ll stop designing around it too, so you can add Poppen Design (www.poppen.ca) to the list.
At last, somebody steps up!
Mark
30 Sep 08 at 8:04 am
I hate IE as much as the next guy, but dropping IE6 is a designer indulgence; you can only countenance such an extreme measure when your site is a personal one and you don’t really care about your users.
theCounter.com has IE6 at 37% market share. Are you seriously considering alienating that many visitors?
If you care about readership or income from your website, or if you are making a website for someone else, then you must continue to support IE6. The alternative is lunacy. Can you think of any business that would deliberately alienate 37% of its customers?
Having said that, you don’t need to make your website perfect in IE6; just make it good enough: good browsers get the full effect, and IE6 gets a slightly inferior version.
I know that hacking for IE6 is a misery, but you have to ask yourself why you are making the website. Are you making it for yourself? Fine — do as you please. Are you making it for users? Then serve them first, and put your own needs second.
Mike Hopley
30 Sep 08 at 9:13 am
@Mike Hopley:
IE6
Sept, 2006 - 81%
Sept, 2007 - 50%
Sept, 2008 - 37%
Sept, 2009 - ?
IE5
Sept, 2001 - 80%
Sept, 2002 - 47%
Sept, 2003 - 34%
Sept, 2004 - 13%
Sept, 2005 - 4%
Sept, 2006 - 2%
Sept, 2007 - 1%
Sept, 2008 - 0%
Your point is valid, but ignoring a downward trend is also lunacy. Every developer will have to weigh the benefits and every project will be have different needs. As pointed out by others, many grid based CSS frameworks and javascript frameworks do a LOT of the work for you, and for the most part, if you’re using them and a couple of the minor CSS tweaks for IE6, you probably won’t even have a problem.
M. Dave Auayan
30 Sep 08 at 10:55 am
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30 Sep 08 at 10:56 am
Add http://www.c010depunkk.com to the list… I’ve been designing non-IE<6-compatible sites for a while now…
c010depunkk
30 Sep 08 at 12:55 pm
I got into web design in October of 2007, and haven’t given the slightest look to making my site or any site I’ve worked on look nice on ie 6. If it worked on ie 6 great, if not I didn’t care.
Add me site to the list if you will
Melech Mizrahi
2 Oct 08 at 12:39 pm
http://idroppedie6.com/
This is a site I created with a friend. It looks like momentum is building for our shared cause!
Kevin Burg
4 Oct 08 at 7:43 am
We at HomeGrownClone.com will join ye quest!
roto
6 Oct 08 at 11:26 pm
Our little niche blog staff members at (http://atchucan.blogspot.com) have actually been deleting their IE browsers and switching to Mozilla Firefox for about 3 months now. And we’ve all felt that we’ve made the world a better place. Our current 98 suscrbers by mail have done so too…
Atchucan Gaming
18 Oct 08 at 1:55 am
I should correct myself: the numbers from theCounter.com are misleading. See this post for details:
http://www.thewebsqueeze.com/forum/Web-Development-in-Genera-f56/Thecountercom-Stats-Misl-t2773.html&hl=thecounter
Using Net Applications’ numbers instead, the figures are more optimistic: IE6 is at about 25%.
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=3&qpcustom=Microsoft%20Internet%20Explorer%206.0
This is still too high for me to drop IE6, but at least the knave’s doom approaches faster than I thought.
Mike Hopley
22 Oct 08 at 3:36 pm
Add to things you can’t do in IE6:
Style an HR using CSS (Workaround: wrap it in a div)
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum83/4412.htm
AJH
12 Nov 08 at 12:38 pm
well IE6 has been a nightmare for a lot web designers these past
years.
Ie7 continued the tradition have most of the time to work around its problems
But what is going on IE8 beta looks even worse
Even apple.com site does not render properly
i had really tried hard to download qucktime
(the download button was covered with overlapping text)
So i suggest to kill all IE project altogether
Take care
Ioannis
P.S. try googles chrome
everything runs smoothly even on the first beta version!
Ioannis
12 Nov 08 at 3:02 pm
Not sure if you want to add this to the “IE6 can’t do”s, but it cannot disable single options in a select. I believe IE7 can’t either, but IE6 certainly cannot.
Matt
16 Nov 08 at 9:30 am
You can always make IE6 users’ life sad: http://browsesad.com
Michal
17 Nov 08 at 9:21 am
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19 Nov 08 at 5:09 am
IE Death March… Death.
Willy
20 Nov 08 at 12:11 pm
I am tired of trying my design in different IE versions. IE sucks.
Angelica
24 Nov 08 at 8:39 am
SAVE THE WEB !!!
DON’T USE IE !!!
Mindu
3 Dec 08 at 9:10 am
Say NO to IE6!
Nikolas
3 Dec 08 at 9:17 am
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/forbidMSIE/
DP
8 Dec 08 at 8:40 am
Here are some more things that are younger than IE6:
- Twitter
- YouTube
- MySpace
- Facebook
- Google Maps (http://maps.google.com)
- Live Search Maps (http://maps.live.com)
Chris Pietschmann
10 Dec 08 at 3:42 pm
Other things you can’t do in IE6:
div.class1.class2 (multiple classes bug)
div ~ p
div + p
div > p
div:hover
Lea Verou
16 Dec 08 at 12:49 am
ie dont die, loosers, loosers, i forever use ie, if you unistall IE, you is looser!!
steve martin
17 Dec 08 at 6:03 am
Just saying that Google Chrome is out of Beta now!
Adam
20 Dec 08 at 10:47 pm
Yes, I’d love not having to support IE6 anymore. Yes, IE6 has many flaws and many things it can’t do. Yes, it’s an outdated browser and there is even an alternative, if you want or have to stick to a Microsoft product. BUT: as long as so many users are surfing with this browser, I can’t afford to ignore them. We should not encourage each other not to support that browser, instead we should encourage users and especially corporations which do not allow the installation of software to move on. We should also encourage Microsoft to pester these corporations with upgrade recommandations until they finally do it. If you don’t offer Hamburgers anymore, people will only complain and regard you as a jerk. But if you manage to make people ask for salads and other healthy things, you don’t have to deal with Hamburgers anymore. Ok, I admit it, not a perfect example, since I love burgers too much… But you certainly get the point. We have to get rid of the demand for IE6 compliance. THEN we don’t need to support it anymore. Rest in peace, but rest soon…
NetHawk
23 Dec 08 at 4:09 pm
ie6? heck drop support for ie in general. I know a lot of people still use ie7 and will end up using ie8. but if nothing ever looks good, or works with it, they will eventually switch to a different browser.
Noah
27 Dec 08 at 5:09 pm
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31 Dec 08 at 5:23 am
According to Web Bug Track IE6 has been in the “RED” for over 3 YEARS!
http://webbugtrack.blogspot.com/2008/08/browser-life-statuses.html
A simple glance at the colors indicates how far behind IE 6 is (even IE 7 is almost orange!)
Jake
2 Jan 09 at 9:18 pm
IE 6 is far more reliable then IE 7. I suggest you idiots close down this site, and make a new one when IE 8 releases. Seriously, IE6>IE7, and if you guys ever used it, you fucking know this. Fucking moronic attention whores. Who gives a shit anyway, All you fuckheads are doing is telling people to switch to FF or other.
alex
5 Jan 09 at 11:50 am
@alex - you might not have noticed, but the site is IE Death March… not IE6 Death March.
M. Dave Auayan
5 Jan 09 at 11:58 am
2009 will display non-standard-browser notice on websites for IE6 users in EU. Thank You!
Webbmasters Sweden
8 Jan 09 at 3:25 am
I dislike IE 7 because of its anti-alias-ness.
IE 6 was much better.
IE 7 being accidentally installed (banned in my dad’s company) made me switch to Mozilla.
Hiro
8 Jan 09 at 12:50 pm
IE7 will die off before IE6 does. People already using IE7 are used to the crappy interface, and IE8 is more of the same, so it’s no big deal - the adoption rate will be fast, like when IE6 replaced IE5. Meanwhile, IE6 users will cling to their familiar interface with features like (gasp!) the movable toolbars they’ve enjoyed since IE3 and (heaven forbid!) stop/reload buttons grouped logically with other buttons. If they make IE any less customizable and any more javascript-buggy, they’ll have to start calling it Safari!
King Firefox, Destroyer of Crapbrowsers
15 Jan 09 at 7:36 pm
[...] o primeiro e certamente o mais conhecido site a pedir a caveira do IE6 foi o iedeathmarch.org. No Brasil, só neste comecinho de 2009, a bola já foi levantada em blogs pelo Leandro Vieira, o [...]
Você já deu o seu tiro no Internet Explorer 6 hoje? | Sana inside
16 Jan 09 at 3:21 pm
I believe you’re preaching to the choir. Should be saying this on the evening news, since it’s most likely those can-barely-turn-on-the-computer surfers who are keeping IE6 alive.
Totally freaks me out when I look at some of our client’s site stats and see 20-35% IE6 users.
That’s too many visitors to walk away from, so we find hacks to make things render well in wheezing-geezer IE6.
Susan the Tech Girl
21 Jan 09 at 11:45 am
It’s funny when IE still renders the pages best. Developers suck it up.
Anthony Alexander
22 Jan 09 at 3:52 pm
The only thing you guys can come up with is some nonsense about CSS selectors, big freaking deal. Really Its like I think Nintendo is the shiznit but I dont appreciate idiots being advocates to the cause. Please provide a valid reason for Ie being banned other than these simple work around issues.
We all know you just ahte Microsoft so much. Dont forget what happened when you wanted to support Google because you ahted yahoo so much. Firefox, Opera, Safari.. God, really. All my benchmarks still make IE the best browser, and this is probably coming from the C++ dropouts running to Web Development, you should be used to inconsistencies by now.
Really, suck it up, because the more I see people quibbling about non-issues the more I feel like the Elites are right for wanting to guide us. Please STFU
Anthony Alexander
22 Jan 09 at 3:58 pm
ATTN Microsoft: *clears throat* F*CK YOU! That is all.
Almightyduff
22 Jan 09 at 4:12 pm
“Pushing up the web” to update all outdated browsers
http://blog.sabinos.net/?p=17
Felipe Sabino
23 Jan 09 at 10:42 am
Death IE6 =P
Ronie Neubauer
27 Jan 09 at 6:33 am
To add to “things younger than IE6″: The Euro!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro
Dieter
29 Jan 09 at 8:48 am
Você tem meu total apoio. Ótima iniciativa!!!
Ôoooo IE 6, pode esperar…
A sua hora vai chegar…
Marco, Rio, Brasil.
Marco Lima
1 Feb 09 at 3:29 pm
Totally agree[23789239823978³³³]
André Baptista
2 Feb 09 at 5:46 am
[...] a site calling for action against the support of Internet Explorer 6, a 7 year old browser. In this post, site creator, M. Dave Auayan urges web designers and developers to cease support for IE6 by March [...]
seyDoggy Web and Graphic Design - seyDoggy weblog - my thoughts on the web and the mac
6 Feb 09 at 10:10 pm
[...] IE 6 Death March (sic) [...]
Jeffrey Zeldman Presents : Saved from the deep
10 Feb 09 at 11:21 am
Yesterday the norwegian website finn.no published an recommendation on there frontpage visible only for IE6 users recommending IE6 users to upgrade or change their browser. They did also recomment other high traffic websites to follow so IE6 can be put to an final death soon. Today the largest (highest trafficated) website in Norway, vg.no, did follow with the same recommendation.
A little bit more about it in my blog post: http://www.trygve-lie.com/blog/entry/bye_bye_to_ie6_in
Trygve Lie
18 Feb 09 at 6:53 am
[...] couple of Norway’s popular sites (http://finn.no and http://vg.no, see Trygve’s comment) just kicked IE6 to the curb and a couple IE Death March readers were kind enough to bring it to my [...]
Norway’s (IE6) Revolution at IE Death March
18 Feb 09 at 1:04 pm
What you are telling is the true. This old piece of software is going to annoy webmasters around the world. When launching IE8 i will stop supporting IE 6 on all my Projects.
torsten
19 Feb 09 at 9:01 am
Death to the IE6. It’s a pain in the ass coding workarounds for making things available to the non-updating folks.
Toei Rei
19 Feb 09 at 9:07 am
IE (either 6, 7 or
is the last browser not implementing SVG - which is a pity, since it would be such a useful web standard, once it is widely available.
All other browser natively implement SVG (Opera, Firefox and Mozilla based browser, Webkit/Safari/Google Chrome)
Andreas Neumann
19 Feb 09 at 9:15 am
great idea!! IE 5&6 make me sick
Webster
19 Feb 09 at 9:32 am
Internet Explorer 6 – Unkraut oder ungeliebtes Gartenkraut?…
(Fast) Nichts sorgt bei heutigen Layouts unserer Kreativköpfe für mehr (stillen) Unmut unter den Entwicklern als die Anforderung auf den Internet Explorer 6 zu optimieren. Wir wähnten uns schon beinahe in Sicherheit ihn endlich unter den Tisch falle…
MOSAIQ MEDIA Blog
19 Feb 09 at 10:50 am
Großartige Idee, ich bin dabei mit http://blog.roman-allenstein.de/2009/02/lasst-den-internet-explorer-6-sterben/
Roman
19 Feb 09 at 11:51 am
Hi.
Great thing!
I’m from Germany.
I put an IE warning at my css-playgroundsite: http://dkdenz.de/
dkdenz
19 Feb 09 at 12:50 pm
Things You Can’t Do In Internet Explorer 6:
position: fixed
Douched IE6
19 Feb 09 at 1:29 pm
Cool!
http://j-sys.de/index.php/2009/02/19/tod-dem-internet-explorer-6
Joshua
19 Feb 09 at 2:06 pm
Things You Can’t Do In Internet Explorer 6:
min-width, max-width
Things You Could Do In Internet Explorer 6, but makes you shiver:
- floating !!!
Tim
20 Feb 09 at 2:30 am
[...] a comment » Auf iedeatmarch.org (ein Name, mit dem ich mich nicht soo sehr anfreunden kann), findet man einen Aufruf, den IE6 nun [...]
Der letzte Weg des Internet Explorers « Ralphs Piratenblog
20 Feb 09 at 4:54 am
[...] with 115 comments [...]
Gute Idee, Schluss mit IE6: IE Death March - gekow.net
20 Feb 09 at 5:25 am
Burn, baby, burn!
LucaBrasi
20 Feb 09 at 5:48 am
Kill the beast !!
Sebastian Landgraf
20 Feb 09 at 7:36 am
I agree with you 100% that it is time to drop support, BUT, I have sites where the members are users of older computers and are not particularly web savvy. For them, IE6 is all there is (I tried the hint to update to Firefox and my client made me take it down as subversive). So, what does one do but try to run Joomla! and acknowledge that a lot of users won’t see the full “glory” of the site. Sigh.
Rita Lewis
20 Feb 09 at 10:08 am
Ich hasse das “Programm”, die Version war mir schon immer egal. Es kann einfach nur schlecht sein, was den Namen Internet Explorer trägt. Ich nutze die Transparenz bei PNGs auf meiner Site gerne und oft. Habe mit conditional comments eine Warnmeldung für IE-User bereit. Auf in den Kampf
Lucas
20 Feb 09 at 4:59 pm
We’ve dropped support since Jan 09, as putting so much effort into an outdated browser proves to be slow economical suicide. The time needed to eradicate all “errors” to show the website correct in IE6 increases its price, or in case you offer this for free, lowers your income, as a lot of additional work is required. Not to talk about a designers nerves.
More than two years now, IE7 is available, IE8 about to be released, but still there are people who do not update this security gap filled monster.
This addresses also all the administrators inside companies who make a big part of those 20% still using IE6, whose are not willing to update. Strange, as they should be the first to get rid of such a security leak.
Get rid of this crappy thing and concentrate on new technologies and browsers.
Frank
21 Feb 09 at 12:16 am
F#*ck the lower Versions of IE. I´ll join the movement and build in a special warning for all old-school-users in my website.
Let´s try to catch the big media. Anyone an idea how to do it?
HASENFARM
22 Feb 09 at 5:18 am
I have as well dropped all support for IE6 or earlier. Anyone visiting my page with this outdated browser monster will only see a special page where he is asked to update his browser: http://www.bitte-downloaden.de/noie6.htm
Michael
22 Feb 09 at 9:08 am
This is so overdue.
I love it
rebb
22 Feb 09 at 6:18 pm
I switched from Microsoft to Linux :-). Soo, IE = R.I.P :-D!!!
Andi
23 Feb 09 at 5:46 am
Andi: Me too
Ubuntu?
Good idea, but we need to tell people why to upgrade.
96th
24 Feb 09 at 11:05 am
Time to say goodbye - Der “IE6 Death March”…
“Der Internet Explorer soll sterben!” (Golem.de berichtete) fordern nun endlich viele Unternehmen und Webdienste, nachdem der Browser seit 6 Jahren standardmässig mit dem marktbeherrschenden PC-Betriebssystem Windows ausgelie…
Apfelkuh.de
24 Feb 09 at 11:30 am
Good idea,
i put anti-IE6-Code-massage in or sites…
(more than 10.000 sites in over 50 web’s in germany)
“Der Internet Explorer soll sterben!”
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Webmaster-Aufstand-gegen-alte-Internet-Explorer–/meldung/133204
==> “Change We Can Believe In”
Fix
25 Feb 09 at 8:35 am
IE6 is responsible for spreading Conficker!
Frappage
26 Feb 09 at 5:55 am
Hi, from France,
The sound you make has been heard and the buzz is spreading, the movment is on its way !
My personnal website Loiseau2nuit.net did not care with IE6 since it was opened in 2004, he won’t care in the future.
My future company (to be started within next months) also won’t build any IE6 complient websites, that’s for sure !
Don’t give up men !
Etienne BRACKERS aka Loiseau2nuit (France)
Loiseau2nuit
27 Feb 09 at 5:43 pm
We have banned IE6 years ago…
pulsar-services.net
2 Mar 09 at 1:04 pm
I know it's unrealistic, but I wish IE7 was on the death list as well…
In IE7 my site doesn't even have a scroll bar, and everything is overlapped. So you can't read past the top section of a page, lol
Jon
3 Mar 09 at 7:40 am
IE8 is out now. Please update your post. I love supporting the death march with redirecting IE6 users to this site:
http://www.timo-ernst.net/stop-the-ie6/
Earl Grey
20 Mar 09 at 4:01 am
There is also a Drupal6 module available now to keep ie6 users away from your website
http://www.timo-ernst.net/2009/03/anti-internet-explorer-6-module-for-drupal-6/
Valmar
20 Mar 09 at 11:46 am
OK, this is the day I’ve waited for. I’m now officially adding to my web contract that I no longer offer backward compatability for IE6.
It would just be ridiculous for us to jump through hoops for THREE versions of IE.
Jesse
21 Mar 09 at 9:13 am
If anyone is interested in a Wordpress plugin to banish IE6-Users from Blogs:
I just finished a Wordpress plugin version of the above mentioned Drupal Module.
It can be downloaded from here: http://www.timo-ernst.net/2009/03/anti-internet-explorer-6-plugin-for-wordpress/
Timo
21 Mar 09 at 2:30 pm
We are in… I am writing a post to ask my visitors to update to ie-7 asap. As the site will be banning IE 6 by this month end… cheers
yamani
23 Mar 09 at 5:09 am
IE6 has to go…and i think it needs to start with us who develop websites…slowly just moving away from IE6 support would make individuals and company IT heads to upgrade…lets be honest more man hours needs to go into fixing the headaches caused by IE6 thus there is more cost on making a website…
sometimes i just wish i could knock some sense to IE6 users with a baseball bat =(
the only people who probably can’t upgrade the IE versions are those on dodgy version of an OS other than that there is no real excuse to keep using IE6 but there is piles of reasons why people should use upgraded or alternate browsers!
vin
26 Mar 09 at 4:47 am
What is your problem or your idea? IE6 and other IE versions still works good and often better (and faster) than Firefox ! If companies stop to support IE6, people will chance their browsers themselves.
Before you discuss about the IE6, you should discuss, that people learn again to code good websites. A lot of sites are made with wordpress and other crappy content management systems.
So, please think about better things than stopping the IE6 and GET A LIFE !
Stefan
27 Mar 09 at 4:54 pm
IE-Six goes IE-Sucks
Cheers
Joomlaner
3 Apr 09 at 2:42 pm
Things you can’t do with IE-6
-Browse
..
Joomlaner
3 Apr 09 at 2:44 pm
Glad to hear it.
I officially withdrew support for IE6 on my site yesterday
I actually don’t care what they see anymore. If there’s anyone that still actually uses it they must pretty be used to shitty looking websites by now anyway.
jackpf
3 Apr 09 at 3:08 pm
And Stefan; you’re stupid. Have you ever actually coded a website before? I completely code my own and it’s a nightmare to get it to look good in ie6.
And what’s that nonsense about it being faster? Why post such blasphemy on a website that is obviously not going to welcome it?
jackpf
3 Apr 09 at 3:11 pm
Time to die IE6!
JP Ameli
14 Apr 09 at 6:22 am
I’ll never ever use & support IE 6. Today I’ll dig him a grave.
Martu
16 Apr 09 at 12:58 am
We support you guys in our blog with a link and a post that take a look at this problem out of the point of view of most of the german companies. On el-audio.net we provide a blogpost desciping the same matter. All the best.
Chris
29 Apr 09 at 12:14 am
I agree! Why do we web site developers still have to go trough all the IE6 headaches. From now on I’ll pass the headaches to the IT guys from the companies. If they don’t want to upgrade because all the IT systems they made works the best with IE6, then let them struggle with it.
gentleone
4 May 09 at 11:05 pm
As a webdesigner & developer, i stopped developing for IE6 alooong, loong time ago, since i wasn’t in the mood for stupid hacks, unsupported PNG’s, and all the other crap.Also urged all my clients to upgrade (either to IE7, FF, Chrome, etc).Proven fact, these new browsers are faster, more reliable and much much easier to maintain and develop for.As for those who still insist on using IE6, that’s not my problem, really.People nowadays have no excuse not to be aware of new technologies, especially if they surf the Webz. Usually, it’s their complete lazyness or ignorance, or worst, stubborness.As for corporate use, it goes the same.Either their IT tech’s a bunch of idiots, or they don’t know sh**** about it.And for M$, well, Mr.Gates should have opened his eyes earlier.So please, die, peacefully, IE6 and never ever return.
Pedro Melo
12 May 09 at 10:56 am
IE Losing 10% Market Share Every Two Years
http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/13/1546213&art_pos=8
M.
13 May 09 at 12:46 pm
Congratulations for this great project. We’ve just started an internet restaurant guide for germany and became encouraged by your ie6 death march to drop ie6 support from the very begining.
Bernd Liebermann
24 May 09 at 2:24 am
Kudos for this great (and overdue!) initiative. I will do my part to spread the word.
Mikey
2 Jun 09 at 12:25 am
Hi, this is a great project. Do you know http://www.bringdownie6.com/bring-down-ie-6.html? I referred to this one and to your project here: http://selected-stuff.de/index.php/stuff_reader/items/Bring_down_IE6.html
Dirk
7 Jun 09 at 6:14 am
http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifesupsps/
Looks like IE6 and possibly IE7 support ends July 13, 2010. As you should know, IE support is tied to the support of the OS; in this case XP (http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=3223).
teamsiems
10 Jun 09 at 7:18 am
I have just seen - http://www.die6.co.uk
ant
16 Jun 09 at 11:38 pm